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Poster: The Other One The Middle One Date: Mar 10, 2009 5:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: THE WAR IS OVER!

xtraxra wrote:

I remember doin some of that liqL back in those day... Boy Howdy = "did I scream" w/ heavy trails.

how can judge those two years. The best part about 74 was THE WAR IS OVER !

As a youngin' in the '70's, other than pictures of helicopters landing in rice paddies while Walter Cronkite did a voice over, when I think of the Vietnam war I think of "Purple Haze" or "The End" (thanks, Oliver Stone.)

Did any of you Elder Heads see the GD while on leave?
Did anybody come close to being drafted but their number never got reached?

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Poster: xtraxtra Date: Mar 10, 2009 5:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE WAR IS OVER!

I was scared of being drafted as time got harder. With Alameda and the Navel weapons yard in your hometown there was always leave, MPs, and Craziness. Air raid sirens were part of growing up......Neighborhood (1 block) with 23 boys, a sandlot, and fights everyday. 13 years of war. Brent lived just down the road. We all went thur it.

CONCORD PANDRAGGERS

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Poster: The Other One The Middle One Date: Mar 10, 2009 5:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE WAR IS OVER!

I remember playing in the "sandlot". When kids could play without the need for parental supervision or a sports camp for every sport. Or, when kids played baseball without batting gloves.

I know my older brother knew kids that were "going over" but I was just young enough where most of my memories start not with Watergate but the Bicentennial.

As I became a teen, I met Vets: at work in a department where they picked up the trash and hangers, or, later on in my thirties, when I took appointed criminal cases.

I've always wondered why my generation, Generation X, has romanticized that time period.

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Poster: agsfay Date: Mar 10, 2009 6:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE WAR IS OVER!

the afternoon janitor really liked me. i had a key to his room and free chocolete milk and hot dogs on humpday all through elementry school. he thought me to dance and play chinese checkers, but we mostly dance to doowop.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Mar 10, 2009 7:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE WAR IS OVER!

Thx to all that contributed to this wonderfully fulfilling thread I am so moved by its content....thx ......thx a lot......thx again thx.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 11, 2009 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE WAR IS OVER!

" I've always wondered why my generation, Generation X, has romanticized that time period. "

I don't know anyone that romaticized the war but considering how lame ass the 80's were I know why. Not only that but it kind of sucked growing up when all the hypocritical baby boomers suddenly preached how everything was bad for you now - smoking - bad, drugs - bad, red meat - bad, drinking - bad, sex - bad ( you could actually die from it in my generation instead of worst case having to get a shot ).

When I was a kid I never asked questions about my Dad and his after work martini's, NEVER would have thought anything of it, now a days they're telling kids it's a drug. We used to buy candy cigarettes and big league chew, now a days I won't be at all surprised when they market the candy nicotine patch so kids can pretend they're quitting.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Mar 11, 2009 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE WAR IS OVER!

Had a conversation just yesterday about how prepared we were to head to Canada. I was just on the edge of being drafted at the end of the war and had seen many older brothers of friends not make it home or screwed for life. Politics, freedom and expression were always the topic at hand. Most of the folks I knew were fairly intellectual during the war, but dummied up for "Sucking in the 70's"

By the time the war was over, so was the the so called counterculture, except for the continued escalation of drug use and abuse. Nothing much left to rail against after Nixon resigned. Lot of directionless stoned behavior.

This, of course, fit the Deadhead profile to a tee. Lots of brothers that were in Vietnam got on the bus. They never quite fit entirely perfect, but then they never fit anywhere very well after the experience. Ultimately the Dead tours were the last vestige of the intellectual ideology embraced in the counterculture. But, there wasn't any forward thinking social movement to speak of, it was more like a reunion of sorts.

The shows and the tours seemed like the common ground for me and my group of rapidly diverging pals. Off to law school, gone to work in the steel mill, dealing dope, married with kids...all of us moving in different directions. The one thing we had was the tours where we could reconnect and be in denial about how our daily lives were being led.

The counterculture had faded and the idyllic notions we had came down to making money rather than communal living and free love, baby. At least up until the mid 80's it didn't seem like a rock and roll revival show, since the band was essentially our contemporaries. If it was still OK for them to act that way, it was OK for us too.

Post coma, and "Touch" pretty well sent most of us off tour. The music was suffering, the venues too huge and overwhelming, the drug laws way too confining and the next generation didn't seem to have the same intellectual affinity and certainly not a similar historical perspective.

In the end, a lot of us found our "church" at JGB shows, but even those were moving into big arenas and coliseums. What was even worse was noticing that many of our contemporaries, including Jerry, were suffering from, uh er, diminished health. Some even cashing in their chips.

For me, Garcia embodied those historical and intellectual reference points in life. When he went, I felt like he took a lot of it with him. No more Nixon, no more Summer of Love, no more Vietnam.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Mar 11, 2009 12:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE WAR IS OVER!

Well said and probably the most accurate account of the end of the kind Tour scene I've heard here. Only I was one of those 18 year old heads with, limited at the time, intellectual knowledge who wished you older heads had stuck around a bit longer to help us younger heads a bit with the mounting tour problems, but I guess I can also see why you got out. It was never the same after though, be it from the brain drain of the elders leaving or that it was inevitable given the situation.
Peace

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Poster: barongsong Date: Mar 11, 2009 10:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE WAR IS OVER!

As interesting post that seems to have been hijacked by the usual suspects. Anyway I was to young to really understand what watergate and the war was all about but I kinda think my Dad went to collage got married had a couple kids in that order just to be lower on the draft list because once 74 came around he offed and left my ma, brother, and I.
No matter though, was better off without'im in my thinking. One thing I know for sure is that those times made people do things they wouldn't have normally, whether they be bad or good and that is at least something rather than the blandness that was-is to come.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Mar 10, 2009 8:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE WAR IS OVER!

Why did cat stevens change his name??

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Poster: likemore Date: Mar 10, 2009 11:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE WAR IS OVER!

Christmas

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 10, 2009 8:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE WAR IS OVER!

Because he got freaked out by the love scenes to his music in harold and maude?

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Mar 10, 2009 8:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE WAR IS OVER!

oh ya.....I forgot!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 11, 2009 1:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE WAR IS OVER!

Love that movie though...is that okay?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 11, 2009 1:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE WAR IS OVER!

Among my favorites... When women ask me my favorite romance or romantic comedy, that's my answer.

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Poster: likemore Date: Mar 10, 2009 11:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE WAR IS OVER!

Christmas

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Poster: likemore Date: Mar 10, 2009 11:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE WAR IS OVER!

Christmas